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ParticipantMaybe the problem is with sheng cha? They are too big and producing too much for good control. Their leaf collectors have been going everywhere and I have no doubt that there is not much consideration for food safety. I am glad that your client is taking the initiative to put a discus through the EU MRL test, coz that would be the price for the puer plus that of the test. Few compressed puer producers are good in quality control and safety management. PM me if you want the names.
Leo
ParticipantThis is interesting. I don’t know how this particular supplier control the hygiene and quality, but such products have been in existence for some centuries. It was concerns of quality, hygiene and unreliability that have always been reasons for its low profile. I was also told that liquid refuse from various larger scale producers was gathered for use in bottled beverages, but unclear of details.
Leo
ParticipantIn preparing Longjing using a long steeping approach, better longjings can be infused in the method Chawang described. This way the true wonders of Longjing manifest to their fullest. The gaiwan cannot do the job well enough in this situation. Gaiwan infusion is particularly suitable for shorter infusions with higher leaves to water ratio. The Yixing pot, first popularized in Ming Dynasty in Jiangsu / Zhejiang areas, where green tea was and still is the predominant tea variety, was particularly good with many types of green tea.
Using a tall glass is good if you want to focus the enjoyment for the aroma. It is good also if you want your tea to cool down quickly for the sake of a quenching drink.2013.08.12 at 3:18 am in reply to: A Question about the Lid of the Gaiwan during Gongfu Infusion #9962Leo
ParticipantApologies for having been absent from this forum for such a long time. Whether to cover the gaiwan / tea mug / teapot between infusions seems to be the topic here. It actually matters not hugely unless under a few conditions. It can be slightly to long a discussion here and I shall write a little article (or part of an article about it) in Tea Guardian. Please be generous enough to continue to share your views here. You may be aware of something that I don’t. I could use that in the article if suitable.
Leo
ParticipantTo me, the botanical taxonomy of the tea plant goes like this:
1. Genus: Camellia1.1 Species: Camellia sinensis1.1.1 Variety: Camellia sinensis var sinensis1.1.2 Variety: Camellia sinensis var assamica1.1.1.1 Cultivar: Camellia sinensis var sinensis cv Qingxin1.1.1.2 Cultivar: Camellia sinensis var sinensis cv Qingxin Dawu1.1.1.3 Cultivar: Camellia sinensis var sinensis cv Qingxin Ganzietc, etcTo me, a clone is a “replica” of a cultivar. When a clone grows in a different environment it may result in leaves with different physical & chemical properties.
Clones and QingxinThe way the word “clone” is used in the wine world is confusing to me and I have tried very much to avoid it.Wulong is a collective term for many things in the Chinese tea world and one meaning refers to quite a large number of cultivars used particularly for oolong tealeaves production. For example, Qingxin is a wulong cultivar. So are many others in an average Taiwan tea garden: Jingxuan, Four season, #13, etc, etc. There are even more used in Mainland China. Many are forming every year in different research institutes and by tea farmers themselves.ShuixianThere are many other cultivars used particularly for oolong production that are not in the group of wulongs. Such as the group we call shuixian.I suspect (still much study needed) that shuixian is not only a group but rather a sub-variety (not sub-species), as I said before. And I suspect that those cultivars used in Wuyi and in Phoenix (Fenghuang) are of the same origin. However, there are many cultivars within this group. A cultivar is different from another sometimes only slightly, but sometimes quite dramatically, even within the same group. Physically and chemically. They give teas of different taste profiles. For example, the cultivar baiye gives Honey Orchid (milan xiang) and the cultivar zilan gives Zilan Xiang. The two tea are of almost opposing characters. They are both Shuixian. A baiye can have many variations due to sexual propagation, different natural mutation due to environment etc and the clones from different baiye individual plants do have different values. Therefore they do have names for different baiye plants. Maybe at that level, you’d like to apply the term clones for them. I am searching for a more suitable one.There are many literature in Chinese documenting the physicality of different cultivars (though not enough yet) and I don’t want to get too explicit and technical here lest I bore the readers.Let me know if you have other ideas.Leo
ParticipantD____ responded to my answer with another email. Again, it’s worth sharing here because it does represent the confusion that some people may have. Here it is:
Hello Leo,Thank you for your wonderful reply! I am pleased you could confirm that “Dan Cong” refers to the “single trunk” growing and processing method and not to the cultivar per se for I was fearful I might have been misleading my customers. As to the variety, is Shuixian the same variety as is grown in Wuyi? I know this variety is widely grown in China.Another point (question): in the wine business we would refer to what you have called “sub-species” as different clones and the asexual propagation method you describe as cloning. Might the different bushes be referred to as “clones” rather than “sub-species?” For example, in the viticultural field, vitis vinifera is the species, chardonnay is a cultivar and Wente and UCD4 are clones (and there are hundreds of chardonnay clones each with its own particular ripening cycle and taste nuance.) To carry this into tea it would be camellia sinensis v. sinensis as the species (and sub-species), shuixian as the cultivar and zhuye as the clone. Does this make any sense?In one of your essays, you stress the difference between Wulong (the cultivar) and Oolong (the manufacturing style.) I had always thought this a confusion unique to Taiwan (early in my career I was at a cupping in Taipei and one taster averred that the best tea was the Wulong; I thought “what, they are all oolongs!” – it took me some weeks to be clear on the difference.) In Taiwan the Wulong is a particular clone of the Qing Xin cultivar. What is it in China?Thanks again for all of your help Leo; I know I have much reading ahead of me as I move through your voluminous research in The Tea Guardian.Cheers,D_____Leo
ParticipantThe original meaning of “Dan Cong” is “single bush”, referring to the idea that the tealeaves from a single bush are not to be mixed with those from any other bush and should be processed and consumed as the product from that singular bush.
This is still practiced for some special bushes in the Phoenix and the Wuyi regions. A way to satisfy the market for the taste from those famous bushes is to produce children bushes asexually from the mother bushes and plant them in neighbouring plots so the soil and micro-climate are as identical to the mothers’ as possible. The leaves from these children bushes can then be processed as the extended “single bush” idea.The reason that the taste from a particular mother plant is different is exactly because Nature has created a unique cultivar through sexual propagation.In Fenghuang (ie Phoenix), (actually in many other oolong regions as well), cultivar diversification is a big topic. Product diversification through this not only helps marketing, but also production resource management. I have written briefly about such topics in Tea Guardian and will write about it in the future in more details.The major group of cultivars in Fenghuang belongs to a group of cultivars called Shuixian, which I suspect is rather a sub-variety rather than just a cultivar group, but I need to verify that with more study. Shuixian presently is classified under Camellia sinensis variety sinensis.There are, however, many other cultivars in that area that are NOT under the Shuixian group.These are a few photos of different Phoenix cultivars that we have posted in our Facebook page:

These are some pages that touch on the topic of cultivars in Fenghuang:Do let me know if I have not answered your question, or if you have more.Leo
ParticipantSemi-black white is Mandarin Duck in Tea Hong. I am still not certain whether this is a good trade name for the tea.
@raphael, Fuding is great place to visit, but trying to find the right producers there is a bit of a hunting game. Production locations are not simple sidetracks on normal tourist routes. More so if you are a laowai. You have better luck in those tea markets in Fuzhou where you can sample many different qualities in a day. Update us of your finds!Leo
ParticipantWhen Alzheimer’s is the concern, it is in tea the good catechins, theanines, and caffeine, that you want. In better quality greens, whites and oolongs you have a lot of these things and not so much the AL. AL is present in many things you eat and trace amount is good to health. For overdose concern, AL from other things in modern life: cookware, water, commercially produced baked goods, etc are a lot more serious.
Leo
ParticipantI don’t think it really is the tea that’s causing the problem. Kukicha are basically stalks of younger leaves, and their al and fl are not really that high. The amount of tea consume has to be extremely high (like 10 litres a day) and from over-grown leaves for overdose symptoms. That’s why I suggest you should check with a physician to see if other things are causing you the joint problem.
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