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  • in reply to: Silver Curls Spring #9112
    pancakes
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    I’ve had Silver Curls Spring, and I actually drank some this morning. The tea has a slightly warmer taste with a bit of nuttiness, but not a lot. The taste profile is not so different from Longjing, actually, but not as warm and rich as Longjing. It is definitely a classic style of Chinese green tea. It is warmer than the Tianshan April Mist, but greener and cooler than the Taimu Spring Equinox (which has more flavors of grains in it).

    in reply to: Starbucks is opening tea shops now #8954
    pancakes
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    In China, food quality and tea quality are quite important. High quality is not only viewed as healthier (and often rightly so), but is also a status symbol. Seeing someone drink low quality tea when they can afford good quality, is viewed as a bad thing for that person. It’s a sign that they are cheap, or don’t know how to recognize good things, or how to take care of themselves. That may sound harsh, but it’s basically true. When I first tried Chinese tea, I bought some cheap stuff, and I didn’t really know what I was buying. When others saw it in our office, I was promptly told that I should buy better tea.

    For all their wealth, the U.S. and U.K. actually have cultures that encourage thrift, and getting a good deal for the money (good value). That means that people tend toward the cheap side, and will often settle for low quality even when they can easily afford better. I say that too as an American, because I definitely see this in our culture. Even though we are living in the “first world,” in some ways our mindset is very different. People have become so accustomed to low quality tea bags, that they don’t even know that high quality tea exists, or why anyone would want to spend some extra money for better quality.

    in reply to: Starbucks is opening tea shops now #8951
    pancakes
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    In the office, tea bags are still common for me, and sometimes I will get the China Green Tips tea bags, because it is one of the very few types of green tea in tea bags that actually tastes pretty good. From what I understand, it’s supposed to be a maofeng tea from Zhejiang province. Note that this is not Huangshan Maofeng, but rather a general style of green tea produced throughout China.

    Most of Tazo’s teas are flavored with all sorts of added stuff, as are most western teas (maybe to cover up the taste of the actual tea leaves). The China Green Tips is actually quite unique because it is only tea leaves, and it actually tastes the part. I’ll give them credit for actually providing a tea that introduces people to the basic taste of green tea. Other types of green tea in tea bags are often flavored with lemon, ginger, and all sorts of other stuff, or are brownish with a questionable taste at best!

    At home, my favorite tea these days is Tianshan April Mist, which is 10x better than that other stuff. 😛

    in reply to: Tuocha Squares 2010 Impressions #9056
    pancakes
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    Very good review, and thanks for posting it. It’s nice to have the choice between loose and compressed pu’er. 🙂

    in reply to: Tea prices #9853
    pancakes
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    The high mountain oolong is 150g of tea, which is quite a lot of tea. In my view, $35 for 150g of high quality tea is not unreasonable.

    I must agree about the White Peony at Tea Hong. It is far better than other White Peony teas I have had (some of which cost over twice as much). Leo definitely has some magic in that tea shop….

    Leo’s strategy seems like a special way of doing business. For example, I will continue to get tea there because I know that I am always getting good quality. I don’t have to worry about being cheated, or buying the wrong thing, because Leo’s shop carries only high quality tea. After some time, a place like that will develop a special reputation.

    in reply to: Tea prices #9851
    pancakes
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    I think that a lot of the pricing in the tea market comes basically from supply and demand. For example, White Peony is not really in high demand, but it is an excellent and delicious type of tea. Because there is not so much demand for it in the global market, and enough supply of that tea, it is possible to buy good quality White Peony at very reasonable prices. (On top of this, Tea Hong’s prices and selection for white teas are definitely better than average.)

    Much of the market for Chinese tea also reflects the Chinese market as well. In this market, some premium types of green tea and oolong tea are regarded as “famous teas” and can fetch very high prices. Examples of such green teas are Longjing, Biluochun, and Huangshan Maofeng. In China, oolong teas from the Wuyi mountains are often quite expensive. However, in Taiwan, there is a different tradition of oolong teas, and certain “high mountain” varieties are the expensive ones. There are many myths and legends surrounding such famous teas, and there are always rich people willing to pay exorbitant prices for the very best quality of the most famous types.

    The good thing about this system is that for those of us who are looking for value, there are many great choices among the lesser known teas. For example, white tea in general is quite affordable because there is less demand for it. Notice that the one white tea that is most expensive is also (and this should be no surprise) the most famous — Silver Needle. This is one of China’s famous teas.

    The problem comes in for people who want some famous tea because that is all they know, but then pinch pennies and drink a very low quality version as a result. This is very unfortunate. If they had picked a lesser known type of tea, then they could be drinking an affordable tea of high quality. I think the Tea Hong approach is smart, because they only offer “famous teas” at good quality, so nobody is stuck with poor quality teas.

    As an example, in China’s Zhejiang province, it is possible to buy a 100g bag of Longjing green tea for approximately $2 USD! Of course, that tea is horrible quality and is not even a pale shadow of what any decent Longjing tea tastes like. In the same store, in the same aisle, a high quality tin of Longjing may cost many times as much. At Tea Hong, 50g of good Longjing tea may be around $20, and since it is good quality of a famous tea (and sometimes a special variety), the consumer is getting a good value, and nobody is cheated. Now, if someone likes Longjing but can’t afford good quality Longjing as a daily drink, then there are other options like Silver Curls Spring, which is a very enjoyable tea with some similar qualities.

    in reply to: Pu'er leaf size and quality #9850
    pancakes
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    Ah, very interesting… So the different grades are not necessarily leaf size, but rather pluck quality… It does seem, though, that the pluck quality and small leaf size are closely related, though. Maybe this is similar to the preference for young leaves in green teas like Longjing.

    As for Wikipedia, the quality of the popular articles is often good, but the articles for rare topics are often neglected or carry unreliable information. It’s all relative to the amount of oversight the article has, which generally follows the subject’s popularity. Many Wikipedia articles on tea include modern myths perpetuated by the tea trade (e.g. “____ tea was a tribute tea for many centuries and only available to emperors…..”, etc.).

    in reply to: Canned Teas #9841
    pancakes
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    It seems like every few years I’ll try some iced tea, and when I do, I always have the same reaction… “Agghh, what is this? This doesn’t taste like tea at all!” Then I’ll either put it in my refrigerator and dump it out later, or grudgingly finish it. I also tried making iced tea from real oolong tea, but actually the results are not so different from store-bought iced tea. Basically, when the tea cools and sits around for awhile like that, the flavor changes completely. The original character is gone, and instead there is just something bland, bitter, and cold, that needs to be sweetened up with sugar to be palatable. 😉

    Sorry if this seems to harsh, but I have not seen many redeeming qualities in iced tea. Even in the hot summer, I would prefer green tea, but just cooled down for a few minutes so it is milder and has a cooling effect on the body. In TCM terms, not every hot drink is warming, and even a warm drink may be able to have a cooling effect on the body.

    pancakes
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    @Leo: Yes I did get the browned Tieguanyin, and it’s an excellent tea. It took a few tries to get the infusion right, but I think it’s going well now. The key for me so far is to use really hot water, close to boiling, infuse it for a short time, and then let it cool a bit in a porcelain bowl. The extra hot water brings out the darkness and flavor, and the bit of cooling tames the tea and evens it out so the full taste can be appreciated. I always think that this last step is very important.

    The Tieguanyin has a rich, warm, woody taste to it that is very nice. I always like to have a “hot” tea around in case I am feeling a little cold or under the weather. When I have been feeling that way, I know that I am making the tea correctly if I start to feel warm and dry, and start to sweat a little. For me, that’s a good sign.

    As a side note, I also really like the tube packaging. It’s perfect for keeping on my desk when I’m making tea. Right now next to my computer, there is the browned Tieguanyin and Master Zou’s Shu Cha 2009. 🙂

    pancakes
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    Just to chime in a little bit, it has been my experience that pu’er holds up a little better than most teas to multiple infusions. But I haven’t had any teas that are still really great after around 5 infusions… I would say that a good pu’er can be used at least 3 times, and maybe as many as 6. It depends a lot on the strength of the tea, the amount of tea being used, how long the steeping time is.

    Sometimes I read some advertisements for tea saying that some particular famous type of tea can be used a dozen times without losing its flavor. I don’t really believe that stuff. In the end, it’s still just tea. If someone does manage to get so many infusions out of a particular type of tea, they are probably using 3-4 times as many leaves as I use.

    For example, if the pu’er tea is being brewed skillfully in a gongfu style with more leaves and a short infusion time, then naturally it will hold up for more infusions. If you are using fewer leaves, though, then you will have to let the tea steep for longer in order to get the same strength of the tea. This is why the gongfu method is not so magical — it requires more tea leaves and a shorter steeping time to get that extra tea. There is always a trade-off, and each type of tea has its own personality.

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