Quality Gaiwans

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    • #8361
      davebart
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      Gaiwans are my favorite style of brewing vessels and I currently have 4, 8 ounce gaiwans.  After learning more about what makes a good gaiwan, I finally realize I need to improve my quality. Sturdy/thick body thinning out towards the rim, preferably white, bone china and a lid that sits with a gap.  Mine are a light green tint, generically designed with flowers with a thick glaze over the porcelain, blasting the extreme heat from the foot to the lid. I make all kinds of tea, but I am getting into Puerhs more and I burn my fingers beyond belief with the boiling water. 

      I feel that it is time to upgrade.  Does anyone know of a website or shop in NYC that either has bone china gaiwans or something of high quality?  What qualities do you feel make a good gaiwan?
      Thank you,
      DB
    • #8728
      Manila Tran
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      I don’t live in the Big Apple so I don’t know a good shop for gaiwan, but one thing I’d like to point out is that bone china is not a particularly good choice. Because most bone china products in the market are mould cast and there is always great restriction to the shape and thickness. All the bone china gaiwans I have seen are no good for making tea. Doesn’t matter even if they are very expensive. Porcelain is the best. It gives you thin edges for good handling.

    • #8729
      davebart
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      Thank you Manila! I am finished the thick edges on mine, I know there is better.  Do you know of any websites/companies that sell or make hand made porcelain gaiwans?  Or a company that has quality porcelain gaiwans?

      I appreciate all of your help.  
      DB
    • #8731
      Hokusai
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      As far as my experience is concerned, most gaiwans sold in the internet in English language are not good for tea making. Most have thick rim and bad lid cap designs. This seems to be a good market vacuum for those who are interested in opening such an internet shop.

    • #8732
      davebart
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      Should a high quality porcelain gaiwan have high translucency, thick body with a very thin rim? Maybe even nice balance, an uneven lid and a plate that sits a little wider than the cup itself?  Am I looking for the right thing or is this too far reaching to find?

      That is exactly what my fear of online purchasing is all about.  There is so many false advertisements, generic pictures and too many companies claiming items are hand painted.  How will we ever know what is worth the money.  I am willing to pay good money for something I know the tea pros would use.  I also have a knack for hand made items, nothing turns me off more than mass produced, generic items.  

      I have been burned a few times by teaware companies who show a picture of a beautiful product and then send something close, but not the same great looking item.  I find that my fear even translates into buying tea and I am very careful and selective.
      Out of all of the tea culture in the world, I am surprised nobody has a website in mind that sells quality stuff?  All I want right now is quality tea utensils and of course the elusive high quality porcelain gaiwan.
      Thanks,
      DB
    • #8733
      Manila Tran
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      That must be very frustrating. Maybe I should seriously consider opening such a shop. Seems good business idea.

      However, I’d like to point out that a good gaiwan is well described in teaguardian.com, it does not have to be translucent, but the shape and thickness distribution must be right. Such good stuff can actually be quite affordable in many asian countries, because China makes a lot such things very well but cheap. Excellent handmade gaiwans are rare anywhere and are expensive. I bought some expensive but not so good ones in bad shops before too, so I always buy mine only from real shops — there are no such good shops nearby, I’ll have to travel by train for almost 4 hours to get to one!
    • #8735
      davebart
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      Ok, so maybe hand made is not the way to go since I’m looking for a personal gaiwan to use every day.  I guess I’ll just look up porcelain gaiwans on the web and cross my fingers I get something worth the time.  

      Will any porcelain gaiwan be ok for teas all the way down the line from white to puerh?  Should I reserve puerh making for thicker porcelain?
      Best,
      DB
    • #8736
      Hokusai
      Participant

      Most people use the same gaiwan for everything. Ripened puers are much, much, much better in the yixing teapot. Raw puer can be in the gaiwan.

    • #8738
      davebart
      Participant

      Thanks for the information!  My search for the right gaiwan continues and I promise myself not too over-think it.  I will try to find some shops here in NYC first so I can see them in person to know which is the right one for me.  If I can’t find one there, I will continue to search online.

      DB
    • #9290
      sa11
      Participant

      I was told that the porcelain gaiwan from Jianxi Province is the best and therefore a lot more expensive, is this true? How can you tell if it is really from that area?

    • #9291
      Hokusai
      Participant

      That used to be true, but the porcelain center has moved away from Jianxi to southern Fujian and Chaozhou many years now. The gaiwan produced in these two tea regions are much better designed for real use. The quality has been improving and the price is a lot more reasonable. I have been using gaiwans from either of these places for many years now. I get mine from a neighborhood teashop, which compares well in price with those in the internet. 

      Teaguardian.com has a very good article about selecting a gaiwan. I am not going to add to their well written essay here, but I can tell you that only the extremely expensive handmade ones from Jianxi (in particular the town called Jingde) is worth the investment as a collection. Others are just over-priced mechine-made or half mechine made stuffs.  
    • #9507
      wanlingteahouse
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      A gaiwan or two is a key for making great tea. To be honest, I tend to stick with the standard China ones from Fujian’s DeHua. Basic, even shape, even thickness, good lids, good pure colour, low cost. Available in a wide range of sizes almost everywhere in the world.

      Tend to use a standard size for most teas, though sometimes use a larger gaiwan for Sheng Puerh.

      Have flirted with JingDeZhen ones, however the problem with handmade gaiwan’s is that the lid is often never quite right and sometimes the porcelain is actually too thin.

      Would be interested in hearing others views on their preferences. Thanks to Tea Guardian for a great online resource.

    • #9510
      Manila Tran
      Participant

      Always the gaiwan. Fujian white porcelain. Not necessarily Dehua. There are many great porcelain production centers. I would fancy using those from Jingde sometimes, but too high in cost to break one. They are better left for customers with bigger wallets.

    • #9534
      MEversbergII
      Participant

      There’s a number of gaiwan on jk tea’s online shop, but I can’t speak for the quality.  They are very inexpensive, however, so it is probable that they’re not fantastic.

      M.

    • #9535
      CHAWANG
      Participant

      good gaiwan no need expensive. gaiwans i am selling same price but better. too bad i have no internet shop.

    • #9537
      wanlingteahouse
      Participant

      ChaWang, any pictures of your gaiwan? Which region are they produced?

    • #9538
      MEversbergII
      Participant

      Yes, do tell.

      M.

    • #9545
      CHAWANG
      Participant

      i take pictures not good. some gaiwans like the pink gaiwan picture in tea guardian gaiwan page. thin edge (maybe 0.5 mm thicker than tea guardian picture gaiwan), deep lid button (deeper than t g gaiwan), white bone china. best for daily use making tea. most practical shape. only white no color, no painting. from dehua, fujian. i use everyday.

      also have blue and white, dou cai, fen cai, all thiner and deeper lid button than jk. better for tea making and better to hand feel. maybe i ask someone to take picture for me later.
    • #9550
      Leo
      Participant

      I would say yours is abt the same thickness.

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