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2011.08.20 at 2:08 am #8363
Tea Man Bill
ParticipantSince we still have an e-mail form in the main site to fill in to send us messages, we keep getting a lot more postings from there than in this forum space. We’ve answered the others by reply, but feeling that has to stop. Here is one question a reader sent and I am posting it here for him for all to discuss. The reader’s name and e-mail address are taken out o protect his privacy.
RE: White TeaI hope that you can help with the following.I recently came across two white teas from different varietals and have some questions.Below are the descriptions of the white teas from the website.A.) WHITE DOWN (Bai Hao) White Tea King’s Grade:“The “King” denotes the first pick of the season and thus the best crop. Because it is so special, our supply is of course limited. Produced from White Tea Varietal #1, this is one of the oldest and most authentic varietals of White Tea. As a matter of ancient Chinese legend, farmers in Fujian stricken with the plague discovered White Down long ago. They found that the juice extracted from the White Down leaves not only cure their sickness, sprinkling it also revived their dry farmlands.”2.) SILVER NEEDLE (Yin Zhen):“Silver soft, downy premature leaf buds gently plucked, this is one of the most highly prized teas in China. Grown from White Tea Varietal #2, every needle is whole, exact, and feathery light unopened leaf bud. …..”a.) Is the White Down essentially the same as the Silver Needle notwithstanding the varietal consideration?I have often seen Silver Needle described as “Bai Hao Yin Zhen”. However, according to this website the White Down is associated with the words “Bai Hao” while the Silver Needle is associated with the words “Yin Zhen”.b.) I would like to know how to tell these white teas apart.I ask because they both looked the same based on the pictures shown on the website. White Down and the Silver Needle are both bud teas with no leaves.What specific characteristics should the average person be looking for in order to distinguish White Down from varietal 1 with Silver Needle from varietal 2?c.) Is ALL Silver Needle produced from varietal 2 ?d.) Based on your experience, is white tea produced from varietal 1 of a higher quality than white tea produced from varietal 2 ?E-mail: – – – – –Thanks.E -
2011.08.20 at 3:40 pm #8756
Amuk
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2011.08.21 at 4:30 pm #8757
Leo
ParticipantHello E,
This is a long question, and I’ll try to answer half of it tonight (it’s 12 midnight HK now) and the other half tomorrow.My response to Question a).Silver Needles, like many other teas, have been given names of various funny implications all over the world and I really cannot keep track of them. By the look of the photos in the website you provided, the two teas look like Silver Needles. However, you know look can be deceiving and the photos there are not very detailed or precise in terms of lighting and colour rendition, so it is more difficult. There are green tea look alikes. Please check again the relative pages in the Tea Guardian main site:“Baihao” means white down, and “Yin-zhen” means silver needles. The site is right with that, BUT you are correct in pointing out that the original name of the tea in China is Baihao Yinzhen; so the English name Silver Needles is a conventional short form. Separating them to name two teas does not seem right to me.My response to Question b).First of all, I do not know of a particular varietal (the proper name should be cultivar) named 1 and another name 2. I think maybe that site is trying to make things simple for the customer. Maybe they are not too sure themselves.The two most used cultivars for producing Silver Needles are Fuding Dabai and Zhenghe Dabai. These are turf oriented cultivar: people who employ the specific cultivar have turf preference in production styles. Fuding and Zhenghe are two separate regions. Each pride themselves of the local styles. The Fuding one is lighter oxidation and the Zhenghe one longer. So the latter is darker in leaf colour (so more greyish) and the former one paler. In terms of taste, the latter is stronger, longer. The former softer and more floral.None is better than the other; people just have taste preference.HOWEVER, I am NOT sure that the genuine Zhenghe version is so easily available in a small CA web store who is consistently mixing up light colour green tea as white teas in their catalogue. Genuine and traditional Zhenghe version is quite scarce these days; a buyer has to know his/her way quite well and has a distinct market need to buy such product.…to be continued -
2011.08.22 at 7:16 am #8759
CHAWANG
Participant3 year ago i have silver needle store well for complete sold out. 2 year ago i buy whiter silver needle at more high price. it not store well. last year it smell no good so not completely sold. i think it was green tea.
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2011.08.30 at 2:03 pm #8761
Leo
ParticipantIt has taken me more than one day to come back to discuss the second half of the question list. Apologies.
For the questions c & d, as said earlier, teas produced from the two cultivars are of different taste and appearance characters. They appeal to different preferences, so I really cannot say which is better even from a taster’s perspective. Silver Needles are produced from both cultivars in the two Fujian regions.However, all consumers have to be aware that regions outside of Fujian (and even outside of China) also produce the tea with or without using the two cultivars. I have mentioned in many occasions that there are plenty of downy shoot teas in the market that are in reality green teas. Silver Needle is a name that has been so well marketed that it is an enough temptation to name anything looking almost the same with it.To answer the question, I really cannot point out these two teas, with their simplified “1” and “2” cultivar names, no origin declaration, and obscure photos, which is better, or even if they may be real white tea Silver Needle.By the way, real Silver Needle maybe a bit more expensive than the run of the mill whole leaf green tea, but it should be well within reasonable price range, and below that of traditional quality, fine first flush green teas, such as Longjing etc. I am stating this here because I have seen too many people hijacking the price unreasonably, albeit the recent increase in price and currency exchange. -
2011.09.03 at 3:43 am #8765
Amuk
ParticipantWhat is the taste difference between a white tea Silver Needle and a green tea Silver Needle?
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2011.09.08 at 3:29 pm #8768
Tea Man Bill
Participant@Amuk, sorry for belated response.
This is actually a very complicated thing to put in words. I know Leo is preparing an article on taste, so hopefully you’ll find answers in there. However, to answer it shortly, most green tea silver needles in the market are rather grassy, or they taste completely like a typical green tea: aroma of cooked mung beans and some very light floral tones as in other finer green teas.Whereas the dry tealeaves of a white tea silver needles would smell of the tones of dried mushrooms, bouquets and accents of chocolate in a broad wash of ripened hay. They are all very delicate though.The color of the dry leaves are very indicative too, as you may have read in the silver needles article. The best way to find out is to compare.
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